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	<title>Comments on: Jonjo Shelvey to Liverpool: Views of a Charlton season ticket holder</title>
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		<title>By: Jonathan F</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonathan F</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Aug 2010 00:20:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Roger thanks for your comment. As you mention though, loaning him out seems something quite likely this season - on the evidence of the first few Liverpool games I don&#039;t think he&#039;ll get anywhere near enough first team football to develop this season (unless you argue simply training with an increased calibre of player will improve Shelvey&#039;s game alone).

I guess we&#039;ll soon find out!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Roger thanks for your comment. As you mention though, loaning him out seems something quite likely this season &#8211; on the evidence of the first few Liverpool games I don&#8217;t think he&#8217;ll get anywhere near enough first team football to develop this season (unless you argue simply training with an increased calibre of player will improve Shelvey&#8217;s game alone).</p>
<p>I guess we&#8217;ll soon find out!</p>
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		<title>By: Roger K</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roger K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jul 2010 14:04:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a Charlton regular, and having seen Shelvey play a lot, I do rate him, and understand why a club came for him - he has potential to be a great player. One of the massive rumours flying around the club was that his sister got him in some trouble with Parkinson resulting in Shelvey not playing. Having sat behind her in the ground, I can really understand why. On the plus side, Shelvey is a confident footballer and has no fear, which could lead him on the same path as someone like Rooney (not saying that he has the same quality). Also being at Liverpool can&#039;t be too bad unless they start loaning him out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a Charlton regular, and having seen Shelvey play a lot, I do rate him, and understand why a club came for him &#8211; he has potential to be a great player. One of the massive rumours flying around the club was that his sister got him in some trouble with Parkinson resulting in Shelvey not playing. Having sat behind her in the ground, I can really understand why. On the plus side, Shelvey is a confident footballer and has no fear, which could lead him on the same path as someone like Rooney (not saying that he has the same quality). Also being at Liverpool can&#8217;t be too bad unless they start loaning him out.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan F</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonathan F</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jul 2010 02:37:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually on the subject of kicking heels I&#039;m wondering why Shelvey isn&#039;t in the England U-19s squad for the ongoing European Championships? A player of his reputed craft was sorely missed at the tournament, in which England&#039;s juniors replicated the jaded visage of the senior team in South Africa superbly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually on the subject of kicking heels I&#8217;m wondering why Shelvey isn&#8217;t in the England U-19s squad for the ongoing European Championships? A player of his reputed craft was sorely missed at the tournament, in which England&#8217;s juniors replicated the jaded visage of the senior team in South Africa superbly.</p>
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		<title>By: Kings Hill Addick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kings Hill Addick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jul 2010 19:35:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He played on the left for Charlton a few times and, indeed, on the right. All be it that was in a midfield 4 I don&#039;t think that is his best position.

He was at his best for us when he had what looked like a free role in the hole in a 4-4-1-1. That would probably mean he&#039;s be beter suited in the middle of that 3, but you will clearly have much better players for that position.

I suspect, despite suggestions from the Shelvey camp/family, that he will be kicking his heels in the reserves and maybe the off League Cup game for a season or two until he has developed, and the youth setup at Anfield has decided on his best position.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He played on the left for Charlton a few times and, indeed, on the right. All be it that was in a midfield 4 I don&#8217;t think that is his best position.</p>
<p>He was at his best for us when he had what looked like a free role in the hole in a 4-4-1-1. That would probably mean he&#8217;s be beter suited in the middle of that 3, but you will clearly have much better players for that position.</p>
<p>I suspect, despite suggestions from the Shelvey camp/family, that he will be kicking his heels in the reserves and maybe the off League Cup game for a season or two until he has developed, and the youth setup at Anfield has decided on his best position.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan F</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonathan F</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jul 2010 19:17:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting piece. 

As it was Rafa Benitez who signed him I&#039;d have been interested to see to what extent Shelvey would have fitted into the Spaniard&#039;s plans. Sadly we&#039;ll never find out now, but with Hodgson arriving and saying he wants to bring a more English core to the team perhaps that works in Shelvey&#039;s favour?

With the signing of Joe Cole I wonder does that push Shelvey now back in the pecking order? I&#039;ve seen him play once or twice but don&#039;t know too much about his best position - I&#039;m guessing in a 4-2-3-1 he&#039;d be one of the 3 either centrally or down the left cutting inside?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting piece. </p>
<p>As it was Rafa Benitez who signed him I&#8217;d have been interested to see to what extent Shelvey would have fitted into the Spaniard&#8217;s plans. Sadly we&#8217;ll never find out now, but with Hodgson arriving and saying he wants to bring a more English core to the team perhaps that works in Shelvey&#8217;s favour?</p>
<p>With the signing of Joe Cole I wonder does that push Shelvey now back in the pecking order? I&#8217;ve seen him play once or twice but don&#8217;t know too much about his best position &#8211; I&#8217;m guessing in a 4-2-3-1 he&#8217;d be one of the 3 either centrally or down the left cutting inside?</p>
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		<title>By: Kings Hill Addick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kings Hill Addick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jul 2010 17:04:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shelvey has been a good player for us (Charlton). He has looked confortable on the ball, but he actually went missing from the Charlton side long before February. I doubt that at this stage in his career he is worth much more than the transfer fee.

I do agree that when a player, even a young one, can&#039;t get into a third division side one has to question his value, but to suggest that the author&#039;s attitude can be blamed for the underperfotmance of the nationalside is a little dramatic.

At a push you could argue that this attitude has driven the expectations of our &#039;local&#039; heroes, but not the cause of their relative failure.

The logic of suggestiung that a player is not the next Steven Gerrard and, therefore, can&#039;t be worth more than £1.7m is stupid. If Gerrard was for sale for £4m then fine but as the majority of Liverpool fans would want a lot more than £4m for him is it not fair to say a player can be worth £4m but not be the next Steven Gerrard?

As for bringing in cheaper foreigh players, and, in fact, comparing Shelvey to Riera, when the need for home grown players is introduced Riera would potentially be worthless if he&#039;s not English nor playing in Spain. Shelvey, on the other hand, could be used to pad out the world class foreign players that all Premier League teams have these days.

On the basis that the EPL is the richest league in the world, and will need to have English players in every side that makes English players worth a premium.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shelvey has been a good player for us (Charlton). He has looked confortable on the ball, but he actually went missing from the Charlton side long before February. I doubt that at this stage in his career he is worth much more than the transfer fee.</p>
<p>I do agree that when a player, even a young one, can&#8217;t get into a third division side one has to question his value, but to suggest that the author&#8217;s attitude can be blamed for the underperfotmance of the nationalside is a little dramatic.</p>
<p>At a push you could argue that this attitude has driven the expectations of our &#8216;local&#8217; heroes, but not the cause of their relative failure.</p>
<p>The logic of suggestiung that a player is not the next Steven Gerrard and, therefore, can&#8217;t be worth more than £1.7m is stupid. If Gerrard was for sale for £4m then fine but as the majority of Liverpool fans would want a lot more than £4m for him is it not fair to say a player can be worth £4m but not be the next Steven Gerrard?</p>
<p>As for bringing in cheaper foreigh players, and, in fact, comparing Shelvey to Riera, when the need for home grown players is introduced Riera would potentially be worthless if he&#8217;s not English nor playing in Spain. Shelvey, on the other hand, could be used to pad out the world class foreign players that all Premier League teams have these days.</p>
<p>On the basis that the EPL is the richest league in the world, and will need to have English players in every side that makes English players worth a premium.</p>
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		<title>By: PaulTheTrainer</title>
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		<dc:creator>PaulTheTrainer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jul 2010 16:37:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with the comment made by the previous poster regarding the over-inflated values of young English players, but i also wanted to say that, having seen a fair bit of Shelvey myself, I think that the Charlton fan who wrote the article is a little misguided as to Shelveys workrate. To me it was never in question. Indeed one of his problems when playing behind the lone striker at Charlton was his propensity to drop into too defensive a position - even in home games he was often seen level with Semedo - the out and out defensive midfielder. I feel that he was underused as a central midfielder at Charlton, with his manager not tactically astute enough to get the best out of him. Whether he&#039;ll hit the heights of Gerrard is anyones guess - as with most footballers he&#039;ll need just as much luck as talent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with the comment made by the previous poster regarding the over-inflated values of young English players, but i also wanted to say that, having seen a fair bit of Shelvey myself, I think that the Charlton fan who wrote the article is a little misguided as to Shelveys workrate. To me it was never in question. Indeed one of his problems when playing behind the lone striker at Charlton was his propensity to drop into too defensive a position &#8211; even in home games he was often seen level with Semedo &#8211; the out and out defensive midfielder. I feel that he was underused as a central midfielder at Charlton, with his manager not tactically astute enough to get the best out of him. Whether he&#8217;ll hit the heights of Gerrard is anyones guess &#8211; as with most footballers he&#8217;ll need just as much luck as talent.</p>
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		<title>By: juan</title>
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		<dc:creator>juan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jul 2010 10:31:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The attitude of the author in this piece is exactly the reason why England have underperformed for so long at the International stage and will continue to do so.

On one hand he claims that although Shelvey is a promising player he doesnt believe he will be the next Steven Gerrard. 

On the other he cant understand how an 18 year who has had only a dozen first team games with Charlton doesnt fetch anymore than a 1.7 million transfer fee.

This is why there is so many young foreigners in the game, managers can bring in foreign players of equal quality much cheaper from abroad.  

Why should shelvey have cost the same as Riera a player that up until recently was a fully fledged member of the Spain squad and was sold for 4 million.  

Shelvey has potential but for the moment thats all it is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The attitude of the author in this piece is exactly the reason why England have underperformed for so long at the International stage and will continue to do so.</p>
<p>On one hand he claims that although Shelvey is a promising player he doesnt believe he will be the next Steven Gerrard. </p>
<p>On the other he cant understand how an 18 year who has had only a dozen first team games with Charlton doesnt fetch anymore than a 1.7 million transfer fee.</p>
<p>This is why there is so many young foreigners in the game, managers can bring in foreign players of equal quality much cheaper from abroad.  </p>
<p>Why should shelvey have cost the same as Riera a player that up until recently was a fully fledged member of the Spain squad and was sold for 4 million.  </p>
<p>Shelvey has potential but for the moment thats all it is.</p>
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