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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://www.just-football.com/2009/11/are-football-squad-numbers-important/comment-page-1/#comment-3188</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jun 2010 21:11:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For the sake of the unfamiliar spectator, this is definitely a relevant topic. I agree with the numbering of 1-11; as I see it 5 is right centre back &amp; 6 is left, but that&#039;s a small difference.

I would suggest that your &#039;indifference&#039; to the location of the 11 is it is the &quot;one left over&quot; when lining up the team. In a &#039;4-1-3-2&#039; formation, if I can call it that, the 11 falls naturally onto the left wing. But if you try to play &#039;strictly&#039; with 2 central midfielder (4-4-2 with a diamond midfield, or 4-1-2-1-2; probably too many numbers, but you get the idea), putting the 11 on the left seems unnatural, from the perspective of higher number, further up the pitch. In this case, 8, 9 &amp; 10 end up further up, which looks odd; having the 8 on the left of the diamond, 10 at the apex and 11 as left sided striker appears more rational, hence your flexibility.

Regarding the 12-25 numbers, I&#039;m less convinced. 12 as the reserve keeper kind of makes sense on it&#039;s own, but to me it would make sense to have the second squad (out field players at least) numbered as per the first, plus 10; so 12 at right full back, 13 at left back &amp; so on. (It is a bit unfortunate from this point of view that we don&#039;t work in base-11, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Undecimal). This would leave 12-25 for the remaining outfield players and goal keepers, but to say that they need to be strictly defined may be taking it a bit too far! :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For the sake of the unfamiliar spectator, this is definitely a relevant topic. I agree with the numbering of 1-11; as I see it 5 is right centre back &amp; 6 is left, but that&#8217;s a small difference.</p>
<p>I would suggest that your &#8216;indifference&#8217; to the location of the 11 is it is the &#8220;one left over&#8221; when lining up the team. In a &#8216;4-1-3-2&#8242; formation, if I can call it that, the 11 falls naturally onto the left wing. But if you try to play &#8217;strictly&#8217; with 2 central midfielder (4-4-2 with a diamond midfield, or 4-1-2-1-2; probably too many numbers, but you get the idea), putting the 11 on the left seems unnatural, from the perspective of higher number, further up the pitch. In this case, 8, 9 &amp; 10 end up further up, which looks odd; having the 8 on the left of the diamond, 10 at the apex and 11 as left sided striker appears more rational, hence your flexibility.</p>
<p>Regarding the 12-25 numbers, I&#8217;m less convinced. 12 as the reserve keeper kind of makes sense on it&#8217;s own, but to me it would make sense to have the second squad (out field players at least) numbered as per the first, plus 10; so 12 at right full back, 13 at left back &amp; so on. (It is a bit unfortunate from this point of view that we don&#8217;t work in base-11, see <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Undecimal)" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Undecimal)</a>. This would leave 12-25 for the remaining outfield players and goal keepers, but to say that they need to be strictly defined may be taking it a bit too far! <img src='http://www.just-football.com/soccer-blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Nicky</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nicky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jan 2010 21:15:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hey this a brilliant comment! i fuss over my player numbers as well, really fussy, if i cant agree which player should have what number i turn my psp off and walk away from it!! i hate having to change numbers of my players its like in real life you would hate to have to buy a new shirt for a new number, i dont want to do that to my fans :P!!! excellent post, i love how u went into so much detail on everything and all the small details were stretched out (like the bit about gallas number 10 &amp; its significance in italy).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hey this a brilliant comment! i fuss over my player numbers as well, really fussy, if i cant agree which player should have what number i turn my psp off and walk away from it!! i hate having to change numbers of my players its like in real life you would hate to have to buy a new shirt for a new number, i dont want to do that to my fans <img src='http://www.just-football.com/soccer-blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> !!! excellent post, i love how u went into so much detail on everything and all the small details were stretched out (like the bit about gallas number 10 &#038; its significance in italy).</p>
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		<title>By: Just Football</title>
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		<dc:creator>Just Football</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 01:07:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The above comment is one fantastic post right there. Insightful and reasoned. Whoever wrote this needs to identify themself!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The above comment is one fantastic post right there. Insightful and reasoned. Whoever wrote this needs to identify themself!</p>
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		<title>By: Just Football</title>
		<link>http://www.just-football.com/2009/11/are-football-squad-numbers-important/comment-page-1/#comment-842</link>
		<dc:creator>Just Football</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 18:12:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Athletic Bilbao&#039;s striker wears the number 2 shirt. He scored at the weekend against Barcelona. I was so confused. Thought he was a right back! Which I think either supports the argument that squad numbers do play a necessary role in football, or proves that I am ridiculously behind the times!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Chris - I see what you&#039;re saying (although I&#039;ll stick to the World Cup &#039;94 tape, far more memories ;-)), but do you not think that squad numbers help bring at least a bit of cohesion and order to matters on the pitch?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Previously, if you went to a game involving two teams you knew nothing about, at least you could be pretty sure that, for example, the number 2 was a right back playing out of position rather than an out-and-out striker?!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I think behind the light-hearted banter and reminiscing there is a fairly important point to be made about the identification of players on the pitch. Correct me if I&#039;m wrong...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Athletic Bilbao&#39;s striker wears the number 2 shirt. He scored at the weekend against Barcelona. I was so confused. Thought he was a right back! Which I think either supports the argument that squad numbers do play a necessary role in football, or proves that I am ridiculously behind the times!</p>
<p>Chris &#8211; I see what you&#39;re saying (although I&#39;ll stick to the World Cup &#39;94 tape, far more memories <img src='http://www.just-football.com/soccer-blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> ), but do you not think that squad numbers help bring at least a bit of cohesion and order to matters on the pitch?</p>
<p>Previously, if you went to a game involving two teams you knew nothing about, at least you could be pretty sure that, for example, the number 2 was a right back playing out of position rather than an out-and-out striker?!</p>
<p>I think behind the light-hearted banter and reminiscing there is a fairly important point to be made about the identification of players on the pitch. Correct me if I&#39;m wrong&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Leebo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leebo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 13:52:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A very worth while topic! For those of you who play Football Manager will whole heartily agree. The only one I disagree with is the sub goalkeeper. If the 1st choice keeper is No.1 then surely the sub keeper should be the next number after the 11? Well that&#039;s just my opinion anyway!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A very worth while topic! For those of you who play Football Manager will whole heartily agree. The only one I disagree with is the sub goalkeeper. If the 1st choice keeper is No.1 then surely the sub keeper should be the next number after the 11? Well that&#39;s just my opinion anyway!!</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 22:01:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>im totally in support of this balanced structure but understand it may be seen as old fashioned in the modern game.  The degrade of positioin may be responsible for this with classic terms such as centre half and centre forward replaced with sweeping blandness as forward etc.  On the flipside the modern &quot;intelectual&quot; footballer (i think of Steven &quot;yer, erm, i think, we played well&quot; gerrard) may of outed the old number system as stereotyping there position and restricting the the chance of playeing on the left for england, cos lets face it we all have a shot.  Nice work steve, got me musing.  westy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>im totally in support of this balanced structure but understand it may be seen as old fashioned in the modern game.  The degrade of positioin may be responsible for this with classic terms such as centre half and centre forward replaced with sweeping blandness as forward etc.  On the flipside the modern &quot;intelectual&quot; footballer (i think of Steven &quot;yer, erm, i think, we played well&quot; gerrard) may of outed the old number system as stereotyping there position and restricting the the chance of playeing on the left for england, cos lets face it we all have a shot.  Nice work steve, got me musing.  westy</p>
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		<title>By: chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 19:45:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can’t help but disagree with most opinions on this blog. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;A squad number has no importance to the man behind the scenes. A manager does not identify his players by the numbers on their shirts but by the qualities they possess as players in order to justify which position they could possible fulfill.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Sadly I think the nostalgia of the football fan and their relationship with the number on the back of the shirt is one of a dying breed and irreverent to the game and the pace it is constantly involving at. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Either accept this or get left behind watching your Italia 90 VHS collection, reminiscing about your Lothar Matthaus number 10’s………….rip.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can’t help but disagree with most opinions on this blog. </p>
<p>A squad number has no importance to the man behind the scenes. A manager does not identify his players by the numbers on their shirts but by the qualities they possess as players in order to justify which position they could possible fulfill.</p>
<p>Sadly I think the nostalgia of the football fan and their relationship with the number on the back of the shirt is one of a dying breed and irreverent to the game and the pace it is constantly involving at. </p>
<p>Either accept this or get left behind watching your Italia 90 VHS collection, reminiscing about your Lothar Matthaus number 10’s………….rip.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 17:43:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good article. Seems as though players these days see squad numbers as just another marketing tool. See Bendtner, Nicholas who changed from 26 to 52 this summer, madness,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good article. Seems as though players these days see squad numbers as just another marketing tool. See Bendtner, Nicholas who changed from 26 to 52 this summer, madness,</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 12:56:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>steve , good point of view , have alot of knowledge for a spurs fan !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>steve , good point of view , have alot of knowledge for a spurs fan !</p>
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		<title>By: Harvey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Harvey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 07:18:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can&#039;t believe someone else spends time allocating the correct numbers to his squad - I don&#039;t feel so sad now.  I don&#039;t know why, I always see #21 as my reserve playmaker&#039;s number.  I recall it was Zidane&#039;s first number when he went to Juventus.  Always think that 20, 21 and 22 are aesthetically pleasing, but still, would prefer 1-11.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can&#39;t believe someone else spends time allocating the correct numbers to his squad &#8211; I don&#39;t feel so sad now.  I don&#39;t know why, I always see #21 as my reserve playmaker&#39;s number.  I recall it was Zidane&#39;s first number when he went to Juventus.  Always think that 20, 21 and 22 are aesthetically pleasing, but still, would prefer 1-11.</p>
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		<title>By: P Shaw</title>
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		<dc:creator>P Shaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 17:06:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Phil jagielka is a definite utility man, remember Sheffield United v Arsenal. He has played in defence, midfield, striker and goalkeeper! A fasntastic article, this. I too share your views that all the numbers should be given to the correct type of player. It is almost an obsession! It just seems to flow better if all the players have the classic 1-11 numbers on and are in the correct positions, it always annoys me how for England, Gerrard has to play with the number 4 shirt on, he is not a defender.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phil jagielka is a definite utility man, remember Sheffield United v Arsenal. He has played in defence, midfield, striker and goalkeeper! A fasntastic article, this. I too share your views that all the numbers should be given to the correct type of player. It is almost an obsession! It just seems to flow better if all the players have the classic 1-11 numbers on and are in the correct positions, it always annoys me how for England, Gerrard has to play with the number 4 shirt on, he is not a defender.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 15:45:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice article Steve. Actually though, John O&#039;Shea has played for Man United upfront once - as an emergency sub against Reading at Old Trafford a few years ago. He was pretty dreadful. Should clearly stick to goalkeeping!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;My favourite squad number has to be the number 10 - the mythical &#039;El Diez&#039; as they say in Argentina. That was my position as a kid and I remember looking up to the great Del Piero who wore the number 10 for the Azzurri with such grace.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice article Steve. Actually though, John O&#39;Shea has played for Man United upfront once &#8211; as an emergency sub against Reading at Old Trafford a few years ago. He was pretty dreadful. Should clearly stick to goalkeeping!</p>
<p>My favourite squad number has to be the number 10 &#8211; the mythical &#39;El Diez&#39; as they say in Argentina. That was my position as a kid and I remember looking up to the great Del Piero who wore the number 10 for the Azzurri with such grace.</p>
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