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	<title>Comments on: Does Mainstream America Still Hate Soccer? If So, Why?</title>
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		<title>By: johnv</title>
		<link>http://www.just-football.com/2009/06/does-mainstream-america-still-hate/comment-page-1/#comment-1157</link>
		<dc:creator>johnv</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 22:14:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree, it does make for an interesting debate--one that will probably continue for a long time.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;To answer the question you posed above, the Confederations Cup DID actually wake the sporting media up from its slumber, but only just a little bit. Early on, the competition was ignored of course but people starting noticing after the Spain victory. In the run-up to the Brazil game there was lots of talk on ESPN and even on some radio shows about how the U.S. might fare. And after the defeat, there was even more conversations and lots of articles in the press about &quot;how this game bodes for 2010, etc.&quot;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;One thing to remember though, this is a slow time of the year for the American sports calendar. Basketball is done, football training camps have yet to start and baseball is in the middle of its long boring trudge to October. American football (college and professional) is the 500-pound gorilla of the American sports scene. I would almost guarantee that if the Confederations Cup had taken place in September or October, there would have been no interest--as usual :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree, it does make for an interesting debate&#8211;one that will probably continue for a long time.</p>
<p>To answer the question you posed above, the Confederations Cup DID actually wake the sporting media up from its slumber, but only just a little bit. Early on, the competition was ignored of course but people starting noticing after the Spain victory. In the run-up to the Brazil game there was lots of talk on ESPN and even on some radio shows about how the U.S. might fare. And after the defeat, there was even more conversations and lots of articles in the press about &quot;how this game bodes for 2010, etc.&quot;</p>
<p>One thing to remember though, this is a slow time of the year for the American sports calendar. Basketball is done, football training camps have yet to start and baseball is in the middle of its long boring trudge to October. American football (college and professional) is the 500-pound gorilla of the American sports scene. I would almost guarantee that if the Confederations Cup had taken place in September or October, there would have been no interest&#8211;as usual <img src='http://www.just-football.com/soccer-blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Just Football</title>
		<link>http://www.just-football.com/2009/06/does-mainstream-america-still-hate/comment-page-1/#comment-1158</link>
		<dc:creator>Just Football</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 19:00:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Brian - I agree. Webb&#039;s piece, whether satirical or not, was so close in terms of points raised to that bitter neoconservative argument against football from certain quarters of American society that it&#039;s not enough for him to simply backtrack without it having an impact. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It&#039;s interesting to hear you say mainstream American culture is more blase about football than hostile though - did USA&#039;s run in the Confederations Cup wake North America up from it&#039;s indifferent slumber at all? And long term will it have any impact?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;@ johnv - You&#039;ve explained yourself perfectly - I really like your point of view on the subject actually. On a personal note I&#039;d probably equate your feelings towards football to mine and basketball, a sport that is not universally popular over here but is enjoyed in some circles.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;One thing I&#039;ve realised since beginning this site is the sheer depth of interest in football from people in the States. It appears to me that though the game might not be mainstream or universally popular over there, those who do choose to discover the &#039;secret&#039; as you put it, have a knowledge and an enthusiasm for football that almost rivals anything you might find even in parts of England. Perhaps we should simply celebrate the ones across the pond who do love the game rather than questions those who don&#039;t.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Either way, it makes for an interesting debate :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Brian &#8211; I agree. Webb&#39;s piece, whether satirical or not, was so close in terms of points raised to that bitter neoconservative argument against football from certain quarters of American society that it&#39;s not enough for him to simply backtrack without it having an impact. </p>
<p>It&#39;s interesting to hear you say mainstream American culture is more blase about football than hostile though &#8211; did USA&#39;s run in the Confederations Cup wake North America up from it&#39;s indifferent slumber at all? And long term will it have any impact?</p>
<p>@ johnv &#8211; You&#39;ve explained yourself perfectly &#8211; I really like your point of view on the subject actually. On a personal note I&#39;d probably equate your feelings towards football to mine and basketball, a sport that is not universally popular over here but is enjoyed in some circles.</p>
<p>One thing I&#39;ve realised since beginning this site is the sheer depth of interest in football from people in the States. It appears to me that though the game might not be mainstream or universally popular over there, those who do choose to discover the &#39;secret&#39; as you put it, have a knowledge and an enthusiasm for football that almost rivals anything you might find even in parts of England. Perhaps we should simply celebrate the ones across the pond who do love the game rather than questions those who don&#39;t.</p>
<p>Either way, it makes for an interesting debate <img src='http://www.just-football.com/soccer-blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: johnv</title>
		<link>http://www.just-football.com/2009/06/does-mainstream-america-still-hate/comment-page-1/#comment-1159</link>
		<dc:creator>johnv</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 22:50:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Frankly, mainstream American culture isn&#039;t worth a damn anyway, so if soccer isn&#039;t part of the conversation I say good.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I am soccer fan--that&#039;s why I&#039;m on this site and reading these articles. Would it be nice if more Americans shared my passion? Sure. But the bottom line is, I don&#039;t really care. I like to think of soccer as my own little secret. When I meet other fans, it&#039;s really fun to talk with them. It&#039;s like being part of a private club, where everyone knows all the codes and rituals. But for me, if soccer was discussed incessantly on TV and radio in the same way that baseball, football and basketball are, I think some of my enthusiasm would dull. I don&#039;t know why that is and I feel like I&#039;m not doing a good job of explaining myself! I just look at soccer as &quot;mine, all mine&quot; and if it never gets into the mainstream that&#039;s fine with me.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Keep up the great work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frankly, mainstream American culture isn&#39;t worth a damn anyway, so if soccer isn&#39;t part of the conversation I say good.</p>
<p>I am soccer fan&#8211;that&#39;s why I&#39;m on this site and reading these articles. Would it be nice if more Americans shared my passion? Sure. But the bottom line is, I don&#39;t really care. I like to think of soccer as my own little secret. When I meet other fans, it&#39;s really fun to talk with them. It&#39;s like being part of a private club, where everyone knows all the codes and rituals. But for me, if soccer was discussed incessantly on TV and radio in the same way that baseball, football and basketball are, I think some of my enthusiasm would dull. I don&#39;t know why that is and I feel like I&#39;m not doing a good job of explaining myself! I just look at soccer as &quot;mine, all mine&quot; and if it never gets into the mainstream that&#39;s fine with me.</p>
<p>Keep up the great work.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Phillips</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Phillips</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 12:32:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No one understood that that Webb piece was satire at the time because it tracked so closely (in both content and tone) with a conservative critique of soccer that&#039;s been made many times over the years---look through back issues of National Review from World Cup years and you&#039;ll find numerous examples of it. It always involves a characterization of soccer as representing a bad (weak, collectivist, nihilistic) Europeanness that appeals to Democrats and liberals but that &quot;real&quot; Americans will never accept. You can get a sense of the flavor of the argument by thinking of certain quarters of the little-England opposition to the euro within the UK.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This doesn&#039;t have much to do with mainstream American culture (which is more indifferent than hostile to soccer, I think), but it&#039;s interesting that on the fringes the debate over soccer mirrors a deeper political argument about the extent to which we should embrace/be influenced by the outside world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No one understood that that Webb piece was satire at the time because it tracked so closely (in both content and tone) with a conservative critique of soccer that&#39;s been made many times over the years&#8212;look through back issues of National Review from World Cup years and you&#39;ll find numerous examples of it. It always involves a characterization of soccer as representing a bad (weak, collectivist, nihilistic) Europeanness that appeals to Democrats and liberals but that &quot;real&quot; Americans will never accept. You can get a sense of the flavor of the argument by thinking of certain quarters of the little-England opposition to the euro within the UK.</p>
<p>This doesn&#39;t have much to do with mainstream American culture (which is more indifferent than hostile to soccer, I think), but it&#39;s interesting that on the fringes the debate over soccer mirrors a deeper political argument about the extent to which we should embrace/be influenced by the outside world.</p>
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		<title>By: Just Football</title>
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		<dc:creator>Just Football</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 22:09:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>True Jason, and thanks for pointing that out. But I do still think the title question is relevant and needs answering. As Webb stated in his interview with you - &#039;The piece is satire, but I hope it was good satire, because in good satire, there is, of course, some grains of truth...satire only works well if it hits a nerve.&#039;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Those grains of truth, that football somehow represents to a section of Americans something to hate/fear, were again highlighted by certain parts of the media etc in reaction to the USMNT&#039;s run in the Confederations Cup. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;What I&#039;d like to establish is to what extent is this perception of football in America changing?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>True Jason, and thanks for pointing that out. But I do still think the title question is relevant and needs answering. As Webb stated in his interview with you &#8211; &#39;The piece is satire, but I hope it was good satire, because in good satire, there is, of course, some grains of truth&#8230;satire only works well if it hits a nerve.&#39;</p>
<p>Those grains of truth, that football somehow represents to a section of Americans something to hate/fear, were again highlighted by certain parts of the media etc in reaction to the USMNT&#39;s run in the Confederations Cup. </p>
<p>What I&#39;d like to establish is to what extent is this perception of football in America changing?</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Davis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason Davis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 21:45:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To be fair to ESPN, the question was &quot;Do you care?&quot; not &quot;Do you even care?&quot;.  I think there&#039;s a difference, although I was surprised to see such a blatant nod to the anti-soccer mindset on the website of the network that just aired the game.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Also, Stephen Webb&#039;s piece was an attempt at satire; you can read an interview with him about it at my site here: http://www.matchfitusa.com/2009/03/stephen-webb-speaks-to-match-fit-usa.html or read what happened with the guys at Avoiding the Drop asked him to watch a full match and reports his thoughts: http://avoidingthedrop.wordpress.com/2009/03/27/first-timers-stephen-h-webb/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To be fair to ESPN, the question was &quot;Do you care?&quot; not &quot;Do you even care?&quot;.  I think there&#39;s a difference, although I was surprised to see such a blatant nod to the anti-soccer mindset on the website of the network that just aired the game.</p>
<p>Also, Stephen Webb&#39;s piece was an attempt at satire; you can read an interview with him about it at my site here: <a href="http://www.matchfitusa.com/2009/03/stephen-webb-speaks-to-match-fit-usa.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.matchfitusa.com/2009/03/stephen-webb-speaks-to-match-fit-usa.html</a> or read what happened with the guys at Avoiding the Drop asked him to watch a full match and reports his thoughts: <a href="http://avoidingthedrop.wordpress.com/2009/03/27/first-timers-stephen-h-webb/" rel="nofollow">http://avoidingthedrop.wordpress.com/2009/03/27/first-timers-stephen-h-webb/</a></p>
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